Pres Bush's Real goal in Iraq

[Listed M.I.A]

Pres Bush and his close affiliates were clearly planning to go into iraq ASAP it is a fact that they tried to get Clinton to do it but he didnt buy it. One of the main reasons to go was to Establish a permanent Base in the heart of the Middle East. Iraq Has some of the 2nd Largest oil reserves in the world, if Saudi Arabia is ever to fall or needs military action against it we are closeby. by controling the flow and prices of oil you can control many economies of the world,for instance oil goes up places like geramany France and Japan's economies go down because of there limited resources. (being the main reason Fr and Germ were against the war) if you lower oil prices Russias economy hurts cuz of the many fields they have.

[[PDM]PartyMarty]

roles eyes.....Clinton was the one that wanted the regime change to begin with but was to big of a cowered to act upon it and to busy screwing his interns that he lied under oath about. Where in the world did you hear the thing about the military base? Because it is not true. And the fact about the oil is a left wing conspiracy to get Kerry elected. Maybe we should call Mr Kerry, Britney Spears Cause Opps he did it again........does anyone know when he is telling the truth? Cause when he is let me know I might want to hear it, cause it will be different next time he says it.

I have 2 questions for you

1. Do you want to live in terrore?
2. Do you want to pay more in taxes?

[Souza]

President Bush, in my opinion is a sneaky bastid ! I don't like him, but i have to say, he did good in the "war" if ya want to call it that. I say that because a war means the other side puts up a Signifigant threat [it was threat but no signifigant].

Also if we do this, the richer will get richer and poorer with get poorer ... I don't want to pay all the frigen taxes that are gunna be crazy prices. Ask me, Im against this going and setting up a permenate base in iraq.

[Listed M.I.A]

Its true clinton did want regime change and he bombed the crap out of places suspected of producing weapons. About Iraq it has done nothing against the war on terrorism so that one question has gone out. Bush diverted valuable resources from afganistan (where are true enemy is....unless you forgot) and some have wondered why wasnt there a proper exit strategy? or one at all from Iraq? its because they never planned on leaving even 60 years later we still have major bases in Germany and Japan. By going into Iraq we were not able to finish the job in afganistan and even tho many ppl in Al Qaeda died many were able to escape and scatter about the world possibly strengthining them in the long run. heres my question to you: How has going to Iraq made the U.S. safer?and was this war worth 700+ american lives? those arent just numbers you know those are people that didnt have to die for such foolish reasons. My last question I want you to ask yourself is if there wasnt a drop of oil in Iraq would we be there? the answer is no. Bush is to reckless and destructive and I don't think he should be forgiven.

-Hold your head up high cuz tommorow you may die-

[[PDM] stiltz]

my 2 cents:

I am happy that Bush took action against people that are known to be connected to terrorist regimes... Even if Saddam didn't have everything that he was reported to have. It sure sends a message out to the rest of the world that we will find you... Mess with the USA and get your ass kicked and then some...

A permanent base in Iraq. Sure why not? We have bases all over the world. One in Iraq gives us more strategic initiative and ability to get deployed in that region faster than before. It also allows the US to keep a presense in Iraq to counter terror cells coming into Iraq to stir up the emotions of the Iraqi's.

Basically, I like Bush. I don't like Senator Kerry and his lies. Kerry is a man who claims to be Catholic and promotes Pro-Choice efforts and still takes Holy Communion. He should be ex-communicated from the Church. Here he publically claims to be Catholic and defies one of its principle social ministry teachings in the eye of the public and God every time he goes to church or even says he's Catholic when someone asks him...

Anyhoo.. that was like 5 cents...

can you tell I'm a Republican? =]

[[PDM]PartyMarty]

All Clinton did was send a couple missles and planes over to bomb suspected targets.. And he said were still watching you and left it at that. What about the embbasei bombings in Africa. Clinton could have goten Bin Lauden from Syrea but chose not to do so. And no i havent forgoten about 9/11/01, I can still tell you where i was when it happend. Im also shocked that a liberal hasnt forgoten about it like most have. Actualy we didnt take that much away from Afganistan to fight Iraq. Its also a sad that are media tells the story of how many of are soldiers died, but you never here how many iraqe rebles we killed, how come???? Why does the media always tell news that is bad, but when something good happens we dont here about it? Humm I wounder why we had bases in those 2 countries, lets see the COLD WAR, and oh yeah we won that. It takes longer then a year to rebuild a country so were going to be there a whileIf you dont like it go to Russia -Homer J. Simpson-

[Listed M.I.A]

heh I was waiting for the moment someone would imply that I'm just some left wing liberal communist, thats fine who really cares. Maybe another time I'd like to debate but I'm not exactly high in spirits right now I have a few problems right now in work and other things...guess I'm just whining....I hope Kerry wins and many of you hope Bush wins and at least one of us will be pleased. I throw in the towel for now, you win I lose which is the way it should be cuz you know those weak liberals....sorry doing it again..... Ill end it like this: No matter what party any of us belong to we shouldnt forget that we are ALL Americans here and should ALL look out for eachother and not divide ourselves, we are meant to be a united country and thats when we are at our strongest.

-Hold your head up high cuz tommorow you may die-

[[PDM] Ammofodder]

So, I missed the opportunity to say anything about all of this in a timely matter, but I will insert my lint filled pocket change here... And this isn't directed against anyone either...

I think that Bush went into Iraq knowing that the US could stand to gain oil by removing Saddam, but why not??? France has been doing that illegally for a number of years anyway... Due to embargos and such placed on Iraq, the only way that I know that they were legally allowed to "sell" their oil was to trade it for food with other countries, not money. BUT, France gave Iraq billions of dollars for their oil. At least if Saddam and his crazy little regime are gone, the embargos could be lifted and maybe Iraq could legally make some money off of their oil...?

Also, even if Iraq didn't have oil, the US should have gone in and removed Saddam. He paid money to the families of dead terrorists... As well as, I still wouldn't say that everything is confirmed that Iraq didn't have WMD. But if it turns out they didn't, they still were trying to acquire them. Once again illegally. The USA should have removed Saddam when he started invaded Kuwait and started kiliing the Kurds... Or maybe when he continually harassing the UN inspections and preventing them from doing their job in an efficient manner like they were trying to. Saddam was playing with fire, he was crying out to get burned.

And lastly- regarding the elections:
Bush will win. Kerry will take a kinda close second. It won't be a blowout win, but not near as close as last election. And then there is Nader- who obviously won't win. Bush's victory is secured because of how well he handled 9/11. The Iraq and Afghanistan situations are still works in progress, but having ousted Saddam as efficiently as he did, I believe that it will carry him through the election. I commend him on that.
In my opinion- Kerry is too much of a whiner, and he spends too much time talking about things that end up contradicting eachother. And even though I believe Bush and other Republicans keep too many things secret from Americans and strong arm those around them, there just isn't anything that can stop Bush. Personally, I will vote Nader. I like what he stands for. He is the happy medium between big business power hungry Republicans and spineless, busy body Democrats who spend too much time meddling in other peoples business and spending peoples money that they don't need to. I know Bush will win. I believe it is a given. But nonetheless, I don't like how Republicans handle non- "wartime" like situations.

Now- everyone can take turns tearing me a new one... ;)

-Tony.

[LucifersKitchen]

Originally posted by [PDM] stiltz
It sure sends a message out to the rest of the world that we will find you... Mess with the USA and get your ass kicked and then some...



Ahem... Osama Bin Laden? Bombed America and we just totally forgot about him? Funny how the biggest disaster to happen to the USA has yet to be nowhere near resolved... funny, ain't it?

[[PDM] stiltz]

Ahem... you must watch the local news and just that... maybe a dash of CCN in thrown in...

There are still US forces looking for Osama Bin Laden... Not as many as before because of the Iraqi conflict but they are still looking. Living a life were you must keep running and hiding from people who are out to kill you everyday must get tiring... Osama is probably in a little hole in the ground too.

and your a bit off topic from the thread... start a new one if you want to go off topic to a new one.

[LucifersKitchen]

Sholly =(

Good point though... I really haven't watched any CCN since like... ever. I'm not all the fascinated with 24/7 news, so bleh.

[cockroach]

I only like to say,take Iraq for all those reasons and you need to take Russia china and North Korea and a few more as well,but it never gonna happen!
and thats what I don't like about it!
late but its still in the news news :(

[gordanfreman]

hmm

yea i suppose i could maybe stand this place now that a few liberals have moved in. still a rebuplican stronghold tho :(

[b 0 n g s]

i think we should take iraq and make it like our 52nd state.. it will be like an alaksa w/o alll the snow all the time....also i think we need to be the govt there.

[[PDM] stiltz]

hmm

yea i suppose i could maybe stand this place now that a few liberals have moved in. still a rebuplican stronghold tho :(

well seeing as the 3 founders are republican we tend to attract them??? I dunno... your views are always welcome... We just tend to have more to reply with all the time...

=]

-=StIlTz=-

[UBSwissCheesedUp]

i think im the resident liberal...maybe quick too...i remember a heated discussion about Fahrenheit 9/11 sometime long ago...but i have worn this Vote Democrat button on me for the last 2 months and im not stopping till Nov 2

and reading ahead...Ray do you just post to post? what you said was really stupid!!!

[[PDM] stiltz]

i think we should take iraq and make it like our 52nd state.. it will be like an alaksa w/o alll the snow all the time....also i think we need to be the govt there.

our 52nd state? Wouldn't we have to have a 51st state to have a 52nd state?


where do you live? I'm going to make sure that when I have children they don't go to school there or even associate with the children there all based off of that craziness....

GJ big guy

-=StIltz=-

[UBSwissCheesedUp]

damn Ray got freaking pwned